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  Q about Jesus' sacrifice

  by oncebitten in

  1. jw
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  i have several jw family members.

  i have been shunned many years now.

  i was not baptized, but i was indoctrinated as a child.

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  Touchofgrey

  A young rich man asked jesus what must I do to get everlasting life, jesus said to keep the commandments and sell his riches and give to the poor, off he went ,

  That now middle aged rich man meets Paul and asks him the same question but now is told that he must have faith in the blood of jesus to have everlasting life.

  Is jesus right and Paul's wrong or is Paul right and jesus wrong or are they both wrong or right?

  Religion's today each have their own interpretation of the bible and so believe slightly different things, so are all right or all wrong?
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  Q about Jesus' sacrifice

  by oncebitten in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have several jw family members.

  i have been shunned many years now.

  i was not baptized, but i was indoctrinated as a child.

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  Touchofgrey

  I asked for independently verified evidence that a miracle worker called jesus even existed .

  Paul claims that jesus spoke to him on the road to Damascus so if there is no evidence that he was a real person who performed miracles etc ,and that fact that the four anonymous gospels were written after the writings of Paul. Who or what did Paul base his writing on?

  Its a discussion forum I was just joining the discussion.
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  Q about Jesus' sacrifice

  by oncebitten in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have several jw family members.

  i have been shunned many years now.

  i was not baptized, but i was indoctrinated as a child.

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  Touchofgrey

  In one of his YouTube videos he said that there are about half a million errors some of which are insignificant and others where whole verses are changed..

  But let's accept your statement, bart has used these documents to disprove the jesus story from beginning to end, virgin birth right through to the fake trial and the crucifixion account and burial and empty tomb story.

  Bart also confirms that the four gospels were written decades after the so called events by unknown authors and that Paul's letters were written before the four gospels accounts.

  You have yet to provide any independently verified evidence that the jesus story is true.

  Regarding there being many copies of the books of the bible ,bart has said that this is because scribes were paid for this work it was their job.
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  Q about Jesus' sacrifice

  by oncebitten in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have several jw family members.

  i have been shunned many years now.

  i was not baptized, but i was indoctrinated as a child.

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  Touchofgrey

  And yet bart Ehrman doesn't believe that jesus was anything more than just a man because of his extensive studies of these fragments and it led him to stop believing that the bible is the word of god and he stopped being a fundamental Christian.

  Many of his lectures are available on YouTube would highly recommend you watch them.

  Professor James tabor another biblical scholar also has very interesting videos on YouTube about the new testament.
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  Q about Jesus' sacrifice

  by oncebitten in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have several jw family members.

  i have been shunned many years now.

  i was not baptized, but i was indoctrinated as a child.

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  Touchofgrey

  There is no original copy of any New Testament document.

  I'm aware of that ,so my question is as Christians how can you with any certainty believe that anything anyone said or did in the bible actually happened?

  That thing's may have been deliberately embellished or been lost in translation or included to fit the beliefs of the individuals making the copies?

  For me facts are more important than faith since l stopped being a jw.
  
  
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  Q about Jesus' sacrifice

  by oncebitten in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have several jw family members.

  i have been shunned many years now.

  i was not baptized, but i was indoctrinated as a child.

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  Touchofgrey

  The idea of justification seems to be a concept developed by Paul, as there are no original copies of his letters, earliest about the 3rd century.

  How can you be sure that the true meaning has not been altered or lost in translation ?
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  Q about Jesus' sacrifice

  by oncebitten in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have several jw family members.

  i have been shunned many years now.

  i was not baptized, but i was indoctrinated as a child.

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  2. 
  3. 
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  Touchofgrey

  Is there any independent evidence that has been verified by independent experts that a miracle worker jesus ever existed and died and was resurrected.

  The four gospels accounts were written decades after the so called events and by unknown authors, so not eyewitness accounts.

  Saul/Paul not a eyewitnes.

  At the supposed death of jesus the sky went dark for three hours, earthquake,the temple curtain ripped in two ,the holy ones walked out of their tombs, even someone who wasn't interested in jesus would have noticed these things.

  No mini facts please.

  And that millions of people believe something doesn't make it true.
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  Can God Change his Mind?

  by peacefulpete in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  is 31:yet he also is wise and will bring disaster and does not retract his words.. 1 sam 15: furthermore, the eternal one of israel does not lie or change his mind, for he is not man who changes his mind.. numbers 23: god is not a man who lies, or a son of man who changes his mind.

  does he speak and not act, or promise and not fulfill?.

  when the god you worship pronounces judgement, is he, really just issuing a warning or has the matter been determined through all the godly powers of insight, foresight and perfect judgement?

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  Touchofgrey

  https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/your-brain-food/202107/why-do-humans-keep-inventing-gods-worship

  Man has created thousands of main gods ,each culture through human history has had many gods or just one .

  Apollo, Poseidon, Zeus, cronus, dionysus hades etc.
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  Can God Change his Mind?

  by peacefulpete in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  is 31:yet he also is wise and will bring disaster and does not retract his words.. 1 sam 15: furthermore, the eternal one of israel does not lie or change his mind, for he is not man who changes his mind.. numbers 23: god is not a man who lies, or a son of man who changes his mind.

  does he speak and not act, or promise and not fulfill?.

  when the god you worship pronounces judgement, is he, really just issuing a warning or has the matter been determined through all the godly powers of insight, foresight and perfect judgement?

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  Touchofgrey

  Man created gods in their image .

  The god of the bible behaves exactly like there bronze age creators. Just as men can change their minds so can their imagined god.
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  Do you recognize the Truth? Watchtower July, 2024

  by Listener in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the stated focus of this study article is.

  focustraining ourselves to discern the difference between the truth we have learned from jehovah and the falsehoods promoted by satan and our opposers.. of course, the article goes on to claim that the truth is not only in the bible, but also from the watchtower organization.

  the first of two qualities needed to discern truth is -.

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  Touchofgrey

  Control and manipulation

  You don't need to do any personal research we have done it for you, trust us we know best .

  A high control group at its best.